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Okay, lots to report. First, let's do the jars.

Jar 1

Disappointing. The smell isn't any more intense than it was yesterday, and we're now at the 3-day mark with little to show for it. Doubly disappointing given I was supposed to get results in 12-24 hours.

Decided to take a couple of tablespoons and add it to a half cup each of flour and water. At least that was the plan, but I grabbed the wrong scoop and now it's 1/3 of a cup each.  Whoops.

Jar 2

Much better results. Almost all the raisins were floating, indicating fermentation, there were easily visible bubbles on the surface, and a distinct wine-like smell. Exactly what I was given to expect.

I poured out 1 cup of liquid and discarded the raisins. The remainder was added to 1 cup each of flour and water, which has since had...interesting results. It mixed together fine at first, pretty liquidy but that's fine. By lunchtime (about 3 hours later) there was a layer of cloudy water that had separated out. Weird enough, but a few hours later the layer was in the middle of the jar, with a white flour layer above and below. Very clear layers, too. Weird.

Now, in the evening, there's a much thicker layer of liquid at the bottom, and a very thin layer of flour under it. Above, is a thickening layer of bubbly white stuff that's expanding to fill the jar.  I've set it in a bowl, fully expecting it to overflow during the night, even though I had quite a bit of headspace to start with.

As to the other 1 cup of raisin water, I decided what the hell, let's use it to make bread if possible. So I used the basic recipe from the Tassajara Bread Book, my go-to loaf. And...the sponge stage was disappointing. I left it to rise pretty much the whole day and it did change texture and get bubbly, but it didn't rise much at all and while the usual texture after an hour is kind of light and gelatinous, after about 8 or 9 hours, this was more molasses-ish. I was told by someone on Mastodon that I should really go through a couple of feedings before using it for cooking, but well, I'd gone this far.

So I went ahead with the recipe. It kneaded up...pretty much like you'd expect with bread to be honest. The sponge was a bit flatter than expected, but honestly it wasn't that bad once I added salt, oil and more flour. It took a bit more flour than expected since it was a bit sticky, but nothing at all ridiculo9us. It's sitting in the oven to rise, has been for about 3 hours now. I intend to punch it down in another hour and let it go overnight. If it's doubled by morning, I'll try baking with it.

The weird part for me honestly was the smell. With commercial yeast, I think the early stage of dough smells quite a lot like bananas. Maybe that's what the yeast strain comes from, I have no idea. But this stuff smelled wrong. And it took me a while before I realized that was because it smelled like wine, not bananas. And not very good wine either. Crappy wine that you'd need to be seriously desperate to drink.  But that's fine, once it's baked (assuming it rises), that should go away.

Here's hoping it doesn't kill me though.
 

nezchan: Toony version of me, more or less (Default)
Some promising results and...questionable ones too.  Let's look at the jars, 72 hours-ish after starting this whole experiment.

Jar 1

Not all the much happening. It's not thickening up any more which is good. It seems like the raisins have sucked up as much water as they're going to, so now the flour mixture is a thin paste rather than a very thick one.  No bubbles however, as the instructions told me I should expect after 12-24 hours.

There is a change in the smell however. Not unpleasant and not strong at this point, but definitely different from where it was yesterday. If this continues, I may use some of it with a half-cup each of flour and water to see if I can't continue the reaction.

Frankly, I've not a lot of hope this will be all that viable.

Jar 2

This is the raisin/water/little maple syrup jar, as you may recall. Much better results.

This morning, one of the raisins started floating. A good sign! By lunchtime, four or five of them were up there. The instructions state that the raisins or other fruit should be floating once the yeast has really taken hold, and I think I'm seeing the beginning of that process.

No spontaneous bubbles so far, though. Some fine bubbles after stirring, which still haven't gone away a little later on, but that's fine. The water is still cloudy, which hasn't changed a whole lot. It's somewhat yellowish in the sunlight. There is a distinct scent, similar to wine, when I open the jar fully.

I'm very encouraged by these results. They seem to be proceeding exactly according to the instructions, and I'm hopeful that I can try using it in a recipe tomorrow or Friday.

Overview

The Twitter directions, I'm afraid, may be failing me. Hopefully not, since I really want this to work. Obviously just getting a bottle of dry yeast again would be ideal, but I'm not in a position to be picky, and I'm already on this road so I'll have to see it through.

I've resolved to establish Jar 3 on Friday evening in any case. I bottled my own beer back in December, so I have a stock of bottle-conditioned stout in my basement, of which I have one a week. My plan is to mix up a couple of tablespoons of that with a cup each of flour and water when I open my next one, and see where that takes me. I'm cautiously hopeful.

nezchan: Toony version of me, more or less (Default)
Just a basic report today. I might start a third jar at the end of the week, but we'll see where that goes. I usually have some "home" made stout on Fridays so I think I'll mix up some flour and water and pour the last little bit of the bottle in with it.

Jar 1

No bubbles, which the instructions said I should be seeing after about 12 hours. I'll give it until tomorrow though.

The flour-water mixture was really thick though, like glue. I expect the raisins soaked most of it up. Added a little extra water to compensate.

Jar 2

Again, no real change, but this time that's what I was expecting. The soaked raisins have plumped back up so now they look like sad little grapes again. Water is somewhat cloudy after stirring, which I'm told is a good sign. No particular bubbles or change in smell yet, but as far as I can tell that generally takes 3-4 days. We'll see how it looks Thursday or Friday.



nezchan: Toony version of me, more or less (Default)
Thanks to the coronavirus quarantine, people have been stuck indoors and trying to avoid going out. That means that the whole concept of cooking has changed, for some people dramatically.

In the before-time, people would run down to the store and maybe get something pre-made. Fried chicken perhaps, or a couple of side dishes. You could always go back midweek if you needed to.  But in these heady days of going out every week, or every couple of weeks, for supplies, that's just not viable. Not to mention, you've got a lot more time to cook when you're not commuting.  So more people have been making stuff from scratch than in a couple of generations at least.

That means ingredients are now a premium. Notably: yeast.

And that's a huge problem for me, since I bake my own bread and really wanted to try making homemade "pizza pockets" (read: small calzones) this week. So what do?

Make my own yeast!

There's a Twitter thread that went viral from a yeast geneticist, who explains in kind of a rough way how to make your own. It seems like i don't have much of a choice, so I decided to try it out. And just because I don't really trust myself to do it right (justified, given I've failed at sourdough pretty badly in the past), I'm also trying a recipe from a different source. The latter recommends keeping track of what I'm doing, so here goes.

JAR 1

Combined roughly 3 tablespoons unbleached white flour, water and raisins in a jar, which I placed in the hutch over Roomie's desk. It's the warmest place in the house, so it should be fine there. the jar seals with a latch, which I may undo, since I've read you need to give the air a chance to escape. So if it's slightly, uh...ajar, that should be fine.

Nothing to report on today in any case. It's basically lumpy white mud.

JAR 2

A mason jar with a plastic screw lid. Combined 4 tablespoons raisins with a tablespoon of maple syrup, and 3/4 filled the jar with lukewarm water. The top is loosely screwed on so gas should be able to escape easily.

At this point, I have soggy raisins.

OVERVIEW

Nervous about the whole experiment. I harbour something of a resentment toward sourdough for being much more finicky, difficult, complicated, and far outside my comfort zone than it has any right to be. Although from what I've read, fruit-based yeasts which aren't real sourdough are a bit closer in results to the store-bought type. We'll see in a few days, hopefully.

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